Joe Thel cares for web components (custom elements), elm-codegen, and a culture balancing boring & novel technologies. We wade into the 2025 AI waters, but walk out before we drown.

Thanks to our sponsor, Logistically. Email: elmtown@logisticallyinc.com.

Music by Jesse Moore.
Edited by Jared M. Smith.

Recording date: 2025.11.07

Guest

• Joe Thel

Show notes

[00:00:17] Disclaimer: AI & Publish Time

[00:00:50] Sponsored by Logistically

[00:01:11] Introducing Joe Thel

• Deepgram
• Dillon Kearns' elm-pages
• Elm Camp
• Magic Read Along podcast

[00:12:01] Question from the Deepgram team: Pitching Elm

[00:14:50] Web components

• Custom Elements (The Elm Guide)
• Web Components (MDN)
• Elm Radio

[00:24:08] Question from Deepgram: Fun stories with animation

• joethel.com
• elm-canvas

[00:29:29] Novelty budget

• "Choose Boring Technology" by Dan McKinley
• "Facilitating Technology Change Through Cultural Change" by Grant Maki (elm-conf 2018)

[00:38:10] Artificial Intelligence

• Zed
• MDN Web Docs

[00:55:17] elm-codegen: Rediscovering the feels of "compile-time", active vs. passive

• elm-codegen
• Serde
• "Solving the Boolean Identity Crisis" by Jeremy Fairbank (elm-conf 2017)

[01:10:24] Question from Deepgram: Early design decisions

• elm-spa-example by Richard Feldman

[01:15:32] Picks

Joe's picks

• "Learning Parser Combinators With Rust" by Bodil Stokke
• Crafting Interpreters by Robert Nystrom
• X-Bows keyboard

Jared's picks

• Kinesis Advantage
• Rondo for Strings and Pegs by Joe Thel
• Zenyatta Mondatta by The Police
• Vinyl records, in general