Surprise! Mario Rogic is your host for this episode, because he's interviewing the normal host of the podcast, Murphy Randle. Listen to hear about Murphy's background in Animation, and how Murphy came to the world of Web development, and eventually started Elm Town! # Links - (00:25:50) [Climbing Into Elm ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-JlC2Q89yg4) ## Picks - (00:39:15) [Scalyr](https://www.scalyr.com) - (00:40:19) [Our Patreon](https://www.patreon.com/towncasts) - (00:40:37) [Reason Town](https://reason.town/)